Mk TDI Wagon Roll Coal

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Bellofigo

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HI, Im new to the diesel scene as this is my first TDI. I have manual 2011 Jetta 2.0 TDI Sportwagon. My main interest is rolling coal. Im looking to see a list of modifications required to achieve the Holy Black Smoke. Im expecting to get a straight catless exhaust, as well as an egr and dpf delete. Any recommendations on a specific tune that will allow me to roll roal. And will I need to increase my injector size.
 

Bellofigo

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You don't want to do that. Really. Especially if your car got the emissions upgrade with the increase in warrantee.
My warrenty is up in December, and I can get my car registered to a house up North easily. Where emissions arent required. Whats another reason I shouldnt?
 

hskrdu

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At the absolute risk of wasting both our time, I'll provide my .02:

Around here, rolling coal is generally considered an immature display of wasteful and inconsiderate behavior. Why? Well, for a group of people who love TDIs for (insert Fred's title here) Economy, Longevity, and Performance, and have been advocating in favor of diesel passenger cars for many years, vehicles that pollute the public roadways with black diesel smoke serve only to work against us. Not only is black smoke usually an indicator of wasted fuel, but gives diesel a bad name, even as diesel fans continue to hope for the return of affordable, efficient TDIs to the marketplace.

As an aside, when I see a truck roll coal, I don't think it's cool or neat or macho. I think first how sad it is that someone purposely wasted time (and money) seeking for a way to waste fuel, pollute the roadways, and demonstrate their poor sense of judgement, but also I think about the driver behind me shaking a fist at my "yes, it's a diesel" club plate frame.

Loud pipes don't impress me. Loud music doesn't impress me. Boy racers and crappy drivers and black smoke doesn't impress me. Your safe, civil, mature driving in shared public spaces impresses me.
 

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Not going to get into the smoke debate, but round here (farm life MN) most everything smokes like a tractor. Rule of diesels has always been more fuel more smoke. that or start cutting air....though i'm not sure how you'd do that. Idk much about the 2011 models, but in the earlier year cars if you add to much fuel you can cook the turbo....

maybe not much help, but a direction....
injectors and IQ add more fuel
 

Bellofigo

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At the absolute risk of wasting both our time, I'll provide my .02:

Around here, rolling coal is generally considered an immature display of wasteful and inconsiderate behavior. Why? Well, for a group of people who love TDIs for (insert Fred's title here) Economy, Longevity, and Performance, and have been advocating in favor of diesel passenger cars for many years, vehicles that pollute the public roadways with black diesel smoke serve only to work against us. Not only is black smoke usually an indicator of wasted fuel, but gives diesel a bad name, even as diesel fans continue to hope for the return of affordable, efficient TDIs to the marketplace.

As an aside, when I see a truck roll coal, I don't think it's cool or neat or macho. I think first how sad it is that someone purposely wasted time (and money) seeking for a way to waste fuel, pollute the roadways, and demonstrate their poor sense of judgement, but also I think about the driver behind me shaking a fist at my "yes, it's a diesel" club plate frame.

Loud pipes don't impress me. Loud music doesn't impress me. Boy racers and crappy drivers and black smoke doesn't impress me. Your safe, civil, mature driving in shared public spaces impresses me.
I can 100% respect and understand that opinion. I do know that the way I feel about it is frowned upon and out right wrong. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it.
Is there any known forums that include the TDI "punks" like me?
I don't want to pollute this forum with my stupid questions.
 

GlowBugTDI

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I can 100% respect and understand that opinion. I do know that the way I feel about it is frowned upon and out right wrong. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it.
Is there any known forums that include the TDI "punks" like me?
I don't want to pollute this forum with my stupid questions.
I don't know of any, but I'm sure between youtube, and old forums here that people have done this already you could get a pretty good idea. It's not a stupid question, but a lot of the people around here are not really interested in helping people over fuel their cars. Reason for this is most people go to far and break something. Then come here wanting to know why it happened and what to do about it when highly respected people on the forum already told them it would happen.
if i knew the information your looking for i would tell you, but unfortunately i don't. i'd just tell you what could happen by doing such mods. The way i see it is it's your car you can (and are going to) do whatever you want to it, so we might as well give you the best direction to go about it. I wouldn't expect this car to look like a truck rolling coal if that's what your looking for. not even close, but you can make a little haze that gets the attention of people and is like hey look it's a diesel. It doesn't sound like this was your intent, but like a member already stated don't use it to make people hate diesel. all we need is more saying the black smoke is polluting their clean air while holding a e-cig in their mouth.

What most on the forum would recommend is the list below at least to start. You can always go further

Injector nozzle upgrade. (idk what ones for that motor, just search the forums) more fuel more smoke....
a tune. (supports and makes the best use of those nozzles) plus why not make it fast?!?
"other mods" that go deeper than most's wallet....ect

as always keep searching, and you'll learn a lot!
 

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I can 100% respect and understand that opinion. I do know that the way I feel about it is frowned upon and out right wrong. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it.
Is there any known forums that include the TDI "punks" like me?
I don't want to pollute this forum with my stupid questions.
And I appreciate your polite reply. Anyone reading this thread should note that I did not flame the OP, and did not reply until Bellofigo specifcally asked "What's another reason I shouldn't (roll coal)?" I attempted to answer that question, politely, with several reasons why it may not be the best idea. Are there places in the country where it's common, or people think it's cool? Of course, and everyone is free to modify their vehicle as they see fit, taking into consideration various impacts, local regs, etc., but those mods of a TDI driven on public roads (much more than a diesel tractor on a farm) may have negative impacts on others. I routinely lament the lack of diesel car options when talking to people interested in cars. The reply? Often I'm told diesel cars are slow, smoky, and stinky. Without any help from VW, the least we can do is be our own best advocates.
 

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Why spend thousands of dollars to look like an idiot when you can do it on the cheap? All you need is an old tire, a chain and a couple quarts of gasoline. Just make sure the chain is long enough that you're not igniting the rear bumper.
 

BobnOH

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I can 100% respect and understand that opinion. I do know that the way I feel about it is frowned upon and out right wrong. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it.
Is there any known forums that include the TDI "punks" like me?
I don't want to pollute this forum with my stupid questions.
VW Vortex.
Can't fathom a why, but anything you did to your motor to make it do that would screw it up. A controlled injection of a particular fluid (not sure what) into the combustion would make smoke. An on/off valve would be prudent.
 

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Why spend thousands of dollars to look like an idiot when you can do it on the cheap? All you need is an old tire, a chain and a couple quarts of gasoline. Just make sure the chain is long enough that you're not igniting the rear bumper.
why not use diesel? it'll stick to the tire better, and leave a flaming trail :D not to mention diesel burns black so like 2x the fun right?. don't ask how I know this.
 

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I'm sure that would work well too. I like organic, environmentally friendly tire fires myself. So I'd stuff it full of birch bark and dry pine cones. Saves a buck or so also.
 

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At the absolute risk of wasting both our time, I'll provide my .02:
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Loud pipes don't impress me. Loud music doesn't impress me. Boy racers and crappy drivers and black smoke doesn't impress me. Your safe, civil, mature driving in shared public spaces impresses me.
I actually like listening to loud music while driving and I also listen to high volume music when i'm alone at home. You just have to be considerate and aware of where you're driving around, and the same would go for rolling coal.

I'd hate to tell you that larger injectors and a mild tune to trick the motor will yield the results you're looking to achieve, then come to find out you're trolling your classmates coming out of school.

My Jetta rolled coal just as I purchased it, and I would have to be hard on the gas to leave a trail of endless smoke. Kinda facepalmish, but also kinda funny for people riding my bumper.
 

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When i was in highschool, we would roll coal, well smoke, by dumping a several tablespoons of transmission fluid down the carburetor and then drive around the school and parking lots therein at a slow pace to spread the love. Yes, it was immature and attention grabbing, but it did bring smiles.
 

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I can 100% respect and understand that opinion. I do know that the way I feel about it is frowned upon and out right wrong. Thank you for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it.
Is there any known forums that include the TDI "punks" like me?
I don't want to pollute this forum with my stupid questions.

Facebook's "VW TDI Owners" group

But do stay here. You will only get the straight talk and correct information here.
 

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dude, calm down
this aint 2001 fast and the furious!
if you want coal, go buy a cummins
if you want a smokey beast, just spend a few grand on nozzles, clutch, tune, and a big turbo and an egt gauge and go down that rabbit hole!
i did! lol not everyone here thinks the same. general consensus is "rolling coal is for trucks" a smoking TDI is just a poor running machine. I happen to "roll coal" NOT more like a fart of smoke! 230hp stage 6 waste of money fun rust bucket ive crashed quite a few times. here you go watch this.
this is what about 4 grand gets you! not very impressive is it? it is when your in the seat! rolling coal looks dumb unless your putting mad rubber to the road. lots and lots of rolling coal means you have next to no power and extreme EGTs some smoke naturally comes with performance but the better the parts and more $ you spend and better matched the parts are to the tune and other parts the less smoke and more power you get. you want power or some looks! i do love doing autocross with PCA (porsche) and getting the thumbs up at good time attacks and everyone was like "WHAT a 360K mile car that uses diesel????????"
don't roal coal, make power, if you do it on a budget like i did the car will blow up not to far down the road!
 

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Immature and stupid no matter what you're driving.

Do you wonder why very few people are interested in Diesels and there're so few being made?
 

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Immature and stupid no matter what you're driving.

Do you wonder why very few people are interested in Diesels and there're so few being made?
name calling? really?
Eh. Not for everyone.
If you called my Jetta immature and stupid (or worse yet, ME!, because that's what your saying, that the owner is, cars cant be they are inanimate), you would change your mind when I told you how little it cost to do (because ghetto race car) and once you got in the seat I would call you immature because you would crap your pants at how fast I'm going through a 90* turn and how fast i launch out of it.
Also consumer feelings have nothing to do with why they are so few (in the states) ever heard of this small blip called Europe? Yea. Mostly diesel cars. Your point is invalid. People are too sheep like and snowflakes now. Oh no! A little smoke!
When i go to PCA Autocross i always have 2 or 3 new people come up to me asking about the car and why it smokes, i tell them because i'm a cheap bstrd and more fuel is the cheap way to get more power if don't moderately properly, and once they understand its a diesel they are very interested. i had many people ask for ride alongs because they did not believe a diesel could have that much power.
i always get lots of thumbs up and i have had a few people scream at me and one guy got out at ran after my car (you gotta be nuts to run after a car from your running car at a red light! but that was because i blasted his snowflake eardrums with my 158db train horns!
To be clear i do not endorse this "rolling coal" thing but only from the standpoint on that's why you wanted it, to look cool. it does not make you look cool but to only a few people in a big crowd if you're lucky. If you want to do it to be a jackars, then that's fine but don't come here asking how to do it, because this is the reaction you get. If you did it because that's what turns out as a result from mad power mods and epic tunes, then awesome and i fully support that its the cheap way to make power. spend a little bit more $ and you will have the same power with little to no visible smoke or "coal"
 

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Yep, name calling. Shame on me.

They're legal here, they just don't sell. Performance is another reason. Dodge (and VW) solved that but the stigmas remain unhelped by clowns who want to "roll coal". So if a person has a bad impression of Diesels they don't bother looking at them much less test driving them to.

I noticed references to racing. The context of this thread is the street. What one does on the track is up to him. I like a little smoke at tractor pulls. Like when it looks like a load of black dirt coming out of the TC though that doesn't leave a good impression on the masses either.
 

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If you want to see some real professional coal rolling, google "Black Smoke Racing". They are a bunch of wacky Finlanders that campaign a W123 Mercedes Benz station wagon drift car. Lots of videos.
 

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Yep, name calling. Shame on me.

They're legal here, they just don't sell. Performance is another reason. Dodge (and VW) solved that but the stigmas remain unhelped by clowns who want to "roll coal". So if a person has a bad impression of Diesels they don't bother looking at them much less test driving them to.

I noticed references to racing. The context of this thread is the street. What one does on the track is up to him. I like a little smoke at tractor pulls. Like when it looks like a load of black dirt coming out of the TC though that doesn't leave a good impression on the masses either.
oh sure, ill just quickly swap tunes and drive to the track. yea right.

also rule#3 [3] No flaming of other members to incite or perpetuate a conflict or argument. ANY personal attacks or name calling will get you banned.
 

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You're right. In my first post I called the OP a clown which is a proscribed action and I apologize to him and everyone else. The second instance you bring up, "immature and stupid" is referring to the activity, not an individual.

If you can't drive to the track without excess smoke I guess you should buy a trailer and quit making Diesels and their owners look bad.
 
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